thanks for the tip. but i'm not sure i follow exactly. is that the setting for the luminance you set to >99? and if so, how do you set that exactly?
thanks
MultiSensor set up questions?
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Axial-User
posted this
18 February 2013
Ryan-Scott
posted this
18 February 2013
i just picked up an Aeon Multisensor. i would like to configure it to turn on lights when motion is picked up by the sensor and then turn the lights off a minute or so after motion is no longer detected. i have watched the youtube video about making rules and read another thread here about the sensor, but i am still a little unsure of how to set it up to achieve this. are rules and conditions necessary? or can i just associate some lights to it and adjust the delay time? perhaps i am making it more difficult than it needs to be. can someone help me better understand this setup?
thanks in advance.
You could probably just use the Sensor's own internal programming to handle this scenario. Based on this page, command parameter #3 states:
How long should the device associated to multi senor keep state On before sending it Off command (if the value is bigger than 255, the value would be rounded to next integer in minutes)
Values: 1 seconds - 15300 seconds
You can use the "Params" button from within InControl to setup parameter #3. Set it to the # of seconds the associated device (in this case your light) should stay on before turning off after motion has ended.
The next step is to then associate the sensor to the appropriate device that you want to control. You should leave the USB stick as an associated device as well as whichever light(s) you want to turn on and off with your motion events. Use the "Assocations" button to accomplish this and work with just group 1.
Axial-User
posted this
19 February 2013
Great, thanks for the help. that got the motion sensor to activate the lights. i only want it to trigger the lights after dark though. what is the best way to get this to happen? a rule? a condition? and how would i set that up?
thanks
Axial-User
posted this
19 February 2013
I have a similar set up to this for turning on/off a pantry light. I created two rules, one to activate the light when sensor level is > 99 and another rule to turn off the light when the sensor is <99. haven't="" had="" any="" issues="" controlling="" the="">
The multi sensor has a light sensor but I've never been able to get it to register. If you can get it working then you could include that in the rule if light sensor is > ##, turn the light on.
Axial-User
posted this
19 February 2013
thanks for the tip. but i'm not sure i follow exactly. is that the setting for the luminance you set to >99? and if so, how do you set that exactly?
thanks
Axial-User
posted this
20 February 2013
I meant that I have mine setup to use the level of the binary sensor (not the light sensor). Here is the information from the devices list for my sensor.
{"__type":"ZWaveHaDevice:#MLS.HA.DeviceController.Common.Device.ZWave","as":true,"autoToggleOff":false,"autoToggleSeconds":0,"cs":true,"deviceId":"cd2a7f46-1536-4198-9ec7-c828ffaf090d","deviceName":"BinarySensor","deviceType":9,"displayOrder":0,"et":"Polling disabled. Too many failed communication attempts.","he":true,"il":true,"lastLevelUpdate":"/Date(1361232705223-0500)/","level":0,"levelPresets":[],"name":"BinarySensor","newLevel":null,"newPowerState":null,"newPowerTimerSeconds":null,
"nextEventPowerLevel":null,"nextEventPowerOn":null,"nextEventTime":null,"nodeId":18,"pd":false,"providerDeviceId":18,"roomId":null,"sr":null,"st":null,"visible":true}
At one point there were more attributes like lumens and humidity but I don't know how to get those back. Notice the level is current 0. When the motion is trigger it sets to 255 (like a normal switch). You can view your devices by using the URL http://youriphere:1178/zwave/devices and then look for the binary sensor to see if yours has additional attributes.
-N
Axial-User
posted this
20 February 2013
hum. thanks for that. im pretty much a newb to this zwave stuff so that seems pretty far over my head at first glance, but i will look at it again and play with the sensor and see if i can make some headway.
thanks
Ryan-Scott
posted this
20 February 2013
I meant that I have mine setup to use the level of the binary sensor (not the light sensor). Here is the information from the devices list for my sensor.
{"__type":"ZWaveHaDevice:#MLS.HA.DeviceController.Common.Device.ZWave","as":true,"autoToggleOff":false,"autoToggleSeconds":0,"cs":true,"deviceId":"cd2a7f46-1536-4198-9ec7-c828ffaf090d","deviceName":"BinarySensor","deviceType":9,"displayOrder":0,"et":"Polling disabled. Too many failed communication attempts.","he":true,"il":true,"lastLevelUpdate":"/Date(1361232705223-0500)/","level":0,"levelPresets":[],"name":"BinarySensor","newLevel":null,"newPowerState":null,"newPowerTimerSeconds":null,
"nextEventPowerLevel":null,"nextEventPowerOn":null,"nextEventTime":null,"nodeId":18,"pd":false,"providerDeviceId":18,"roomId":null,"sr":null,"st":null,"visible":true}
At one point there were more attributes like lumens and humidity but I don't know how to get those back. Notice the level is current 0. When the motion is trigger it sets to 255 (like a normal switch). You can view your devices by using the URL http://youriphere:1178/zwave/devices and then look for the binary sensor to see if yours has additional attributes.
-N
Nelis, is your sensor still associated with your USB stick? It should automatically send reports to the associated device. You might check this page about the parameters that device supports and see if you are missing anything to get them. Also be sure you are using the Beta z-Wave controller or you definitely won't get them.
Ryan-Scott
posted this
20 February 2013
Great, thanks for the help. that got the motion sensor to activate the lights. i only want it to trigger the lights after dark though. what is the best way to get this to happen? a rule? a condition? and how would i set that up?
thanks
You'll need to undo the changes to your sensor (so it doesn't turn the lights off automatically) by un-associating it from your light - but leave it associated to your usb stick.
Also, please download and install Version 2.210 for this to work.
Here's how I'd do it:
1 - Create a scene and add your lights turned to the on position
2 - Add a pause to the scene and set it to 60,000 milliseconds (1 minute)
3 - Add the light again to your scene, but turned to the off position
4 - Create a rule based on the trigger of your motion sensor (this will be similar to the YouTube video you watched). Have this rule activate the scene you created in #1
5 - Add a condition that starts with "Before 10 PM" and change it to say "After Sunset"
6 - Add a second condition to specify "Before Sunrise"
Axial-User
posted this
26 February 2013
thanks for all the tips from everyone. much appreciated.
i updated my software version and tried the steps layed out with the scene, conditions and rules. it seems to be working but i would like to better understand what i did and what each step meant. especially where the scene was created. then the lights were added, paused and then added again. what is going on here? also the rules were a little fuzzy for me. there are several categories of rules. day of week ...... any level change. i altered some but not sure if i needed to or not.
thanks again for all the help.
Axial-User
posted this
26 February 2013
Hey Ryan,
Yea I think it's associated. To be honest I'm not really sure. I select the sensor and click Associations but the USB controller isn't checked. I do get state level changes though. I have it turn on a light when it detects motion. I haven't had any issues with that.
I do know this, randomly I've looked at the sensor in the InControl GUI and on the right side under the sensor label a little data grid is present and show Luminense, temperature, humidity. This grid showing up is random. I've closed and restarted InControl numerous times and the grid is gone an doesn't come back. Actually I just checked it, and it's displaying the grid right now (it wasn't about 15 mins ago). I checked the web service call and this is what it has now.
{"__type":"ZWaveHaDevice:#MLS.HA.DeviceController.Common.Device.ZWave","as":true,"autoToggleOff":false,"autoToggleSeconds":0,"cs":true,"deviceId":"cd2a7f46-1536-4198-9ec7-c828ffaf090d","deviceName":"BinarySensor","deviceType":9,"displayOrder":0,"et":"Polling disabled. Too many failed communication attempts.","he":true,"il":true,"lastLevelUpdate":"/Date(1361851491244-0500)/","level":0,"levelPresets":[],"name":"PantrySensor","newLevel":null,"newPowerState":null,"newPowerTimerSeconds":null,"nextEventPowerLevel":null,"nextEventPowerOn":null,"nextEventTime":null,"nodeId":18,"pd":false,"providerDeviceId":18,"roomId":null,"sr":[{"label":"","name":"Luminance ( 1)","value":14},{"label":"","name":"5","value":51},{"label":"","name":"Relative humidity ( 2)","value":51},{"label":"F","name":"Temperature ( 1)","value":73.580000000000013}],"st":null,"visible":true}
The sensor is reporting the other stuff but it just randomly shows up and disappears. I've noticed the 'polling disabled' error but I don't have polling checked for the device so I'm not sure why InControl is trying to poll. Perhaps it's the association?
-N
Axial-User
posted this
26 February 2013
Follow up to my last post. i got things working but am still wondering how and why. (see my last post).
but i just noticed something else. when i placed the lights associated with the sensor into the scene i set them up to start up at full intensity when triggered by the sensor. but if i turn on the lights directly via their switch (either physically at the switch or via IC) and dim them to a certain level below full, the next time the sensor triggers those lights they don't come on at full intensity as set up in the scene, they come on at whatever intensity they were last set at the switch. is something wrong? do i need another rule? or is this just how it works?
thanks
Axial-User
posted this
26 February 2013
Another follow up. thought i had it working but it triggers in daytime as well as night. thought giving the "after sunset" , "before sunrise" condition would prevent that? what did i do wrong?
thanks
Ryan-Scott
posted this
27 February 2013
Then the lights were added, paused and then added again. what is going on here?
With the scene, you are basically saying to immediately set the lights up, then after that, pause for X milliseconds. Once the pause is over, it sets the lights again to what-ever follows the pause.
The other sections of the rules all do different things based on the script. You can also use them to limit the rule to only working on certain days of the week or making it repeat (when applicable) every Day or minute, etc.
Ryan-Scott
posted this
27 February 2013
I do know this, randomly I've looked at the sensor in the InControl GUI and on the right side under the sensor label a little data grid is present and show Luminense, temperature, humidity. This grid showing up is random. I've closed and restarted InControl numerous times and the grid is gone an doesn't come back. Actually I just checked it, and it's displaying the grid right now (it wasn't about 15 mins ago). I checked the web service call and this is what it has now.
The stuff you see comes from the sensor. You'll only see it if its associated to your USB stick. The sensor also only sends it to the USB stick every X minutes/hours/etc (there are probably settings you can adjust to change it if you want it more frequently).
The poll might actually be enabled by default, but you see it as off because it has had errors so InControl will automatically turn it off until you restart again.
Ryan-Scott
posted this
27 February 2013
Follow up to my last post. i got things working but am still wondering how and why. (see my last post).
but i just noticed something else. when i placed the lights associated with the sensor into the scene i set them up to start up at full intensity when triggered by the sensor. but if i turn on the lights directly via their switch (either physically at the switch or via IC) and dim them to a certain level below full, the next time the sensor triggers those lights they don't come on at full intensity as set up in the scene, they come on at whatever intensity they were last set at the switch. is something wrong? do i need another rule? or is this just how it works?
Are you sure the scene is really firing? Is it possible you have the sensor still directly associated with the lights? If it were associated to the lights, it could behave how you've described. Otherwise, it should always use the scene's level to set the lights up.
Another follow up. thought i had it working but it triggers in daytime as well as night. thought giving the "after sunset" , "before sunrise" condition would prevent that? what did i do wrong?
It sounds more and more like you may have your sensor still associated with the light. You should check that to be sure; also, download version 2.211 and change your rule condition to be "after dark" instead of the other two items I had you add before.
Axial-User
posted this
27 February 2013
ok. downloaded the newest version and changed the condition to "after dark". doubled checked to make sure the sensor is not associated with the lights, it is not. rebooted. lights still come on during the daytime and at a lower than set start up level. ???
Ryan-Scott
posted this
27 February 2013
ok. downloaded the newest version and changed the condition to "after dark". doubled checked to make sure the sensor is not associated with the lights, it is not. rebooted. lights still come on during the daytime and at a lower than set start up level. ???
Have you setup your lat/long in the options menu? Does your associations page still show your usb stick as associated?
Axial-User
posted this
28 February 2013
i have set up my lat/long. i don't have the box checked that says "run as a service". what is that? do i want to do that?
the usb does not show up as associated to the sensor. but it doesnt show as associated with any of my other devices either. should i associate it to the sensor and all my other devices? they all work ok for the most part now. (the locks are a little eratic though.)
something new that just popped up with version 2.21. it is giving me an alert about my COM3 port. saying something else is using it. i have changed nothing except for the version. do i need to unistall the old version maybe?
thanks again. great support you give here. much appreciated.
Axial-User
posted this
28 February 2013
another bit of info. still having the above problems mentioned above. have installed new version and changed to "after dark". but now, after being trigged by the sensor, the lights won't go off. ?????
Ryan-Scott
posted this
28 February 2013
another bit of info. still having the above problems mentioned above. have installed new version and changed to "after dark". but now, after being trigged by the sensor, the lights won't go off. ?????
Is your sensor battery powered? If it is, you have to wake it up before clicking the "associations" button linked to that device in InControl, otherwise you won't see anything associated. Could you do that and verify that the USB stick is there (if it's not, none of this will work) and that your light is not?
Axial-User
posted this
02 March 2013
ok. i have woke it up and associated the usb stick. but now IC is shutting itself down and giving me error messages that state "access denied when opening COM3."
where did i go wrong?
thanks
Axial-User
posted this
02 March 2013
uh oh. sadly, things have gotten worse. after crashing a few times with the COM3 error message, the system became erratic, then completely unresponsive.
it started by having increasingly longer activation times for devices. 15 seconds, then 30 seconds, then 60, then all devices became inoperable from IC or my iphone. it indicates devices are turning off and on but nothing happens.
i closed IC, rebooted computer. same thing.
i deleted the motion sensor and the scene associated with it. still not working. i have tried to delete the rule associated with the sensor but i cant get it do delete.
things seemed to start getting erratic when i installed version 2.21. can i go back to an older version? or do you have other advice.
thanks
Ryan-Scott
posted this
03 March 2013
uh oh. sadly, things have gotten worse. after crashing a few times with the COM3 error message, the system became erratic, then completely unresponsive.
it started by having increasingly longer activation times for devices. 15 seconds, then 30 seconds, then 60, then all devices became inoperable from IC or my iphone. it indicates devices are turning off and on but nothing happens.
i closed IC, rebooted computer. same thing.
i deleted the motion sensor and the scene associated with it. still not working. i have tried to delete the rule associated with the sensor but i cant get it do delete.
things seemed to start getting erratic when i installed version 2.21. can i go back to an older version? or do you have other advice.
thanks
You should check your logfile.txt and see if you've got a device in your network that is not responding to polls. Also to be safe, make sure your sensor isn't set to be polled, as it'll cause such a situation to happen.
When you see the "access denied message" that's what happens if something else is using your USB stick. If you've got another program installed that does z-wave, you should uninstall it or make sure it's not running. It could also happen if you've got a second copy of InControl running -- for this, check your task manager and shut down any mls.zwave.service.exe's that you see listed then start InControl again.
Axial-User
posted this
24 July 2013
i am reactivating this thread as i have tried again to get my motion sensor working and not having much luck. i have watched the you tube help vids and i have read some of the other threads about how to set this up. but... i am still not having success and feeling like quite the idiot.
i want to set up my motion sensor so that when it is dark and motion is detected, it will turn on certain lights. after motion is not detected for 1 minute, i want the lights to turn off. i won't go into all the configurations i have tried, but i will say that just simply setting up the sensor to turn lights on when motion is detected at anytime, (with no conditions set as to luminance or time), i still can't get the lights to come on.
any idea what i might be doing wrong?
thanks
Ryan-Scott
posted this
24 July 2013
i am reactivating this thread as i have tried again to get my motion sensor working and not having much luck. i have watched the you tube help vids and i have read some of the other threads about how to set this up. but... i am still not having success and feeling like quite the idiot.
i want to set up my motion sensor so that when it is dark and motion is detected, it will turn on certain lights. after motion is not detected for 1 minute, i want the lights to turn off. i won't go into all the configurations i have tried, but i will say that just simply setting up the sensor to turn lights on when motion is detected at anytime, (with no conditions set as to luminance or time), i still can't get the lights to come on.
any idea what i might be doing wrong?
thanks
This assumes that when motion is sensed, you see it inside of InControl like this. If not, then you need to make sure the motion sensor is associated to your usb stick. You should also be on the latest version of InControl (3.20 currently).
Steps for turning on a light when motion is sensed:
1. Create a scene that contains your light in the "on" state
2. Add a device trigger
3. Select your Motion sensor as the device and check the "Motion Detected" box
That gets the light on when motion is detected. If you want to get it off, repeat steps 1-3 with these changes:
1. Scene shows the light off
2. (same step)
3. Select the same motion sensor, but make the check be on "No motion"
Axial-User
posted this
26 July 2013
i set things up as directed. just set it up to trigger the lights on. didn't worry about the off scene or time constraints.
it worked once. i turned off the lights manually and went to try the motion sensor again and i could never get the lights to come back on via the motion sensor.
was i not suppose to turn the lights off manually via the switch?
thanks
Ryan-Scott
posted this
26 July 2013
i set things up as directed. just set it up to trigger the lights on. didn't worry about the off scene or time constraints.
it worked once. i turned off the lights manually and went to try the motion sensor again and i could never get the lights to come back on via the motion sensor.
was i not suppose to turn the lights off manually via the switch?
thanks
When you turned the light off manually, did the motion sensor still show as "tripped" inside of InControl? The motion sensor has to "reset" before it can detect motion again. The default time it takes to reset is 4 minutes. If it hasn't reset, then it won't send a new motion event to InControl again - which is what you may be seeing.
For your info, if you want to adjust the "reset" time, you'd mess with Param #3 as per this page. The default is 240 seconds; if you want it to be quicker, set the value for param 3 to something smaller, like 10-15 seconds. Note that the lower the number the shorter your sensor's battery life will be.
